scalarparty ([info]scalarparty) wrote,
@ 2005-07-27 20:20:00
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((apologies for the cynecism in this post..))
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ok so now the poop is really flowing down the pipe …and its getting thicker by the second. Since last I posted (all but a few hours ago) there’s now 199 related articles about this USA/AUS climate dealio… some things I’ve noticed:

ok right off the bat—noticed that the name of this accord is “Beyond Kyoto” and the press guppies are gobbling it up! Hmmm….. sounds familiar doesn’t it? Doesn’t it sound like British Petroleum’s switch a couple of years back? When they changed into:
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Beyond Petroleum! Now don’t get me wrong, Sir John Browne is my kind of guy—his company has been morphing nicely into an energy company instead of a dirty oil co, and he was the only oil CEO with the cojones to kick up a storm with all the other oil boys and tell them flatly that the planet doesn’t fall for their think tanks, misinformation and PR flak…

The thing is that these new Climate Solvers (1 part john wayne 1 part yahoo serious) taking the name from the BP brand make me think of crib notes and buying mid-term essays …wonder if they’re just going to keep up with the lazy student lethargy and just swipe the logo too: Image hosted by TinyPic.com waddaya think?

Me I think they ought to take it one step further…. I mean since this is USAAUS saving the day, the two of them ought to take some credit, I suggest they go for more boldness Image hosted by TinyPic.com
in fact, that really would give the right message to the world,
beetookaye
I mean, do you even have to ask how these guys feel about joint implementation and carbon credits?

…actually speaking of joint implementation, there is some interesting glimmer of hope where China and India are getting in on it with USAAUS and getting into the possibilities of technology transfers.. they’ll offset the lethargic non activity in the “developed” by putting up clean technologies in the “underdevelopped”
(god, I hate those words). So there is a glimmer of hope.

But wait a minute.. JI, Technology Transfers, and Carbon Credits was what Kyoto was all about (?) So even if t he 1990 levels was the baby step goal, but the process is sposta work (so long as there’s no climate regime change) what was the big problem in the first place??




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[info]ewtikins
2005-07-28 01:46 am UTC (link)
Good to have you back!

For a month or two I've only been reading "bare minimum" LJ (close friends I really don't want to lose touch with), so I didn't see your return.

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[info]somerled
2005-07-28 03:53 am UTC (link)
Hilarious!

I've been meaning to comment, but I'll do it all here.

I haven't read the Kyoto treaty, or the USA/AUS one. I've been too wrapped up in administrivia. I think the problem was probably as usual one of details rather than principles.

The only way to increase energy consumption and reduce emissions is through technological development and commercialization. Makes sense to me that any global effort needs to be big on that.

The USA also needs to make new technology exports to China and India - it is the only way for its economy to remain competitive.

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hey nice to see you again too ewtikins!!
[info]scalarparty
2005-07-28 04:33 pm UTC (link)
hey thanks. and hope the UK is treating you right! yeah summertime has been a tough time to get much writings out.... wish i had more time to write, but actually crazy busy

..a TV series i've been pitching-- ink not yet dry, should keep quiet about it-- got financing/sponsorship and looks like we're shooting a pilot early September

..the dream eco store I've been building (mostly in my mind for several years) now has a full management team, and the investors is getting out his chequebook just as soon as we all jump through the last hoop. and;

...i've been taking a 3D animation course so i can make walk-throughs of my little ecotopias (be forwarned QT clips a coming, and now with keyhole being turned into googleEarth (if you haven't played with it yet, go go go!) the professional version lets me implement my vision in 3d even more easily! woo hoo... the road-free world is about to commence! --speaking of which, i think i just realized what it would take to get people to give up their cars, ready? Jetpacks!! (hydrogen jetpacks of course) P Diddy just dropped into the MTV awards wearing one and i thought, ok we give people a deal, you want a jetpack?? ditch the car! then it will be no time before we can depave the roads, plant the fruit trees, and bring back city streams! woo hoo

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somerled!
[info]scalarparty
2005-07-28 04:53 pm UTC (link)
you're right about the details.... i've heard some (usually lawyers) say that the devil is in there.. and then others (usually purple-frocked new agers) say that that's where god is (if i was god i think i would find some better places to hang out, like a nice beach with someone serving fresh baby coconut milk).

as for the "only way to increas energy and reduce emissions" remeber Somerled, 'the only only is there's no only' these are huge parts of the puzzle, and pretty much the technical development has been done, there are solutions to almost everything we need, it hasn't been marketed properly and so the comercialization needs a lot of help.

and USAAUS must get it together fast if they want to keep the tech edge.... there is a thriving PV industry in India, and Aisia has just taken over as the largest manufacturer of solar panels.... in fact i was wanting to talk about this with you Somerled and your golden partner, i think (unlike the Loeuvre)theres a lot of room to manoeuvre....

my only problem is this... and i haven't written about it yet cause its just too much to deal with. all of these time-tables are woking on outdated projections from climate modellers. the new CGMs especiall the Ocean/atmo GCMs are not saying what the old models said. Worse yet, the actual real world planet is saying something totally different (that as you know i've been saying for 10+ years now) up there, near Santa's village in the North Pole (western greenland to be exact) the baby glacial (wie sagen ein kliner 'schneeberg' auf deutsch) is now growing at 12 Km a year! (pause and take that in please) oh, and the gulf stream is now down to 25% ....sure this isn't going to get in the papers, and will defintely not affect public policy (today anyway) but when you take these things into consideration, it's almost a tragicomedy to even discuss emissions and technology transfers unless they are climate adaptation technologies.. we're in for a climate regime change and fuzzy hybrids, clean nukes, windmills et al. ain't going to save the day = (

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EWITIKINS!!
[info]scalarparty
2005-07-28 04:55 pm UTC (link)
hey Ewt, r u in ontario????
if so let me know, I'm now in Toronto....

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